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hi everyone and welcome back to that ufo

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podcast we've got another breakdown for

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you

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going to be going to see the eternals

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and i'm going to share my thoughts on

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that on this podcast with dan who is

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joining me now hi dan

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hey hey how's it going

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it's it's going all right i've got my

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thoughts on the eternals and it's not

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just that we're turning into a movie

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review pod however i think there's some

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themes within this that are definitely

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worth talking about sure i've not shared

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my thoughts with you yet about the film

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you asked yesterday and i said i was

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going to wait until we've done this

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today um

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it's got some interesting themes but

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regarding as a film ah i'm not sure but

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we'll come to that i want to kick off

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though um oh just before we kick off i'm

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still setting up the show by talking

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about everything else first um we are

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going to talk about the senate amendment

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as well which is something again loads

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of you have reached out to us asking our

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thoughts on it are we going to talk

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about it yes we are um just gave a

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couple of days to to kind of let it

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breathe a little bit uh but not too much

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more seems to have come out so we'll

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talk about it today but first and

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probably the most important then for

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this time of year um we're going to talk

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a little bit about the raffle that

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you've put up online

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that's right so when we recently went to

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uh i took with me a bunch of the truth

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uh luella zondo obama-esque posters that

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i made uh i guess a few years back now

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but i got lou to sign one that we could

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use to fundraise some money for charity

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and uh people can see the picture of the

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poster on the page um

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the charities we are supporting are both

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chosen by lou uh he he told me to pick

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one of two suggestions and i couldn't

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choose i think they were both equally

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important so we'll be splitting all the

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proceeds 50 50 between these two

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charities it's the saint jude children's

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research hospital

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their mission is to advance cures

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pediatric catastrophic diseases

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and basically no child is denied

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family's ability to pay they do really

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really beautiful work um they have quite

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helping a lot of people so it's great to

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be able to support those and then the

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other one was the humane society

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international they work around the globe

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to promote human animal bond rescue and

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research and to respond to natural

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animals uh the world over so both are

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think so like i say we'll be splitting

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the proceeds 50 50 between them

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since launching less than 48 hours ago

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we are sat very nicely on 710 pounds so

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thank you to everyone who's donated so

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far um so the way that's not far off a

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thousand dollars for anyone in the us

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um so the way it works is uh i don't

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know if people stateside know what a

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the idea is you buy a ticket it's a

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numbered ticket you can buy as many as

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you want they all get entered into uh uh

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you know a prize pool someone randomly

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pulls a raffle ticket and that person

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wins so you could buy a whole book of

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tickets and still lose um and that's a

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great way to say like that you could buy

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but the prize uh so it's a sign poster

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of the truth art

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signed by lu elizondo um i'm pairing

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that with one of the

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the nfts it's kind of like an animated

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version of the same art um

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the video of lou on fox saying that

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there's very compelling evidence that we

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may not be alone so they match together

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the person who donates the biggest

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luella zondo saying thank you for their

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donation which i thought was fantastic

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lou's giving a lot of his time to this

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dan let me clear that up as well

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said by someone else not just you

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it doesn't mean if you win the raffle

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you get the call from lou it's if you

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make the biggest single donation so

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again you could buy 99 of the tickets

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that would give you the biggest donation

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but someone else could still win the

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raffle and get the poster but that would

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mean you would get the call uh so that's

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that's just making that clear so the

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call from lou is just for the biggest

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donation uh and again at the end of the

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day folks the main thing is here that's

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raising money for for two charities both

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very worthwhile the it means you get a

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chance to win a poster but also for

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those who can spare a little bit more

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and we get that's not everyone you've

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a call from from lou or receive a call

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formula you're not going to win it's a

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thank you call for for your pledge as

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if we will do another prize for the

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raffle as well i'll give that ufo

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podcast hoodie and some stickers as well

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to someone so we'll do another draws

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part of it then so you can pull out

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another ticket that they can win another

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prize as well so

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when the poster that's signed from lou

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and the phone call and also we'll throw

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in for someone separately so if you

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don't win the poster you might win a

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hoodie and stickers bundle as well and

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listen we're happy to get you on one of

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the the youtube lives or or something to

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say hello and and thank you for making

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donations and stuff as well absolutely

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absolutely it's really cool to see the

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community do something positive you know

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i i a lot of people think of ufo twitter

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as a place that some people go to bicker

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and it's nice to use it for a positive

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thing there's been a lot of that

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recently and i think that was a it was

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good timing dan had planned on doing

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this anyway but legacy it was a nice

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idea with the charities and there's a

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lot of people arguing and moaning and

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calling each other out over stuff and

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you'll probably notice we tend to stay

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out most of it as much as we can online

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um but this is just like a nice thing to

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do at this time of year as well so a few

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opportunities to win various prizes but

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also give to some charities which will

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be very well received and very well

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appreciated i'm sure as well and look

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out for later on should be this month

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dan we'll hop on one of the youtube

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lives we've only done a couple of them

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we'll make it a bit of a fun one as well

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we'll try and get something something

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be a telethon nothing like that but

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and we'll we'll answer some questions

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but as part of that we'll make sure you

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can potentially buy some raffle tickets

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and stuff as well so make make sure

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that's maybe the end of the month or

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early december yeah

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that'd be good we'll have some mulled

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wine get married and take some questions

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um i should probably share the link

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right um it is if you just type into

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dot rally up that's r a double l y u p

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forward slash truth

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and that will take you straight to the

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page or have a look at my twitter

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profile at the signal and it is pinned

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at the top there so you can go straight

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there and if you're not on social media

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then the links will be in the

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description as well for that i'll we'll

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make a note down just to put those in

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definitely straight away after that as

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well but listen thank you very much if

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you can and choose to donate to the

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let's move on to some ufo uap news as

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well because dan there has been a senate

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amendment put forward or a request for

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such this is something people have

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looked at online and it is pretty big

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and it's one that could fly under the

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radar but again it's one of those ones i

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look at it and go am i completely sure

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what that means and i tend to ask you

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and we're at the point now we realize

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that a lot of other people are in the

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same kind of boat as well so

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senator kirsten gillibrand has submitted

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an important amendment for inclusion in

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the 2022 national defense authorization

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act and essentially as a suggestion or a

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request that requires the government to

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strengthen its position on investigating

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ufos now tell us how this has come about

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oh i've done it as well

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we've both done it

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reuben homeboy yeah well

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dog

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um so yeah this is the national defense

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authorization act it was hr 4350

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it is being voted on at the moment but

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as i get as these bills get voted on

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people will propose better language

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things will have been missed so they'll

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basically come in from the side and say

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hey you know what i like what's there

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but i would like to go further and

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specify a bunch more things to really

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shore up this effort so

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what we're seeing is essentially that

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process start to happen people start to

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you know pull back and forth on the

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language but in this case it's a very

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positive development um because the

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language is much more extensive and much

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more thorough

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than the previous efforts

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so it goes into

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basically the the biological effects and

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things like that but the two main

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takeaways are that they want to set up

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the anomaly surveillance and resolution

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office this is very similar to what

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chris mellon proposed on joe rogan a

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while back uh that was the the office of

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uh an

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anomaly resolution i think it was um so

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this name kind of sounds like that

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language so i wouldn't be surprised if

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he's maybe had a hand in briefing some

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people here um and asro sounds good yeah

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awesome atip uap task force asro ezra

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and then there's another thing as well

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that's basically set up because that

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that would be a government organization

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that would be funded for four years from

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2022 to 2026 basically um

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but

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something that we always hear people say

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is

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can

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people in this office be held to account

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is there a public relationship here and

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a couple of things specified in this

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amendment was that each report would

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have an unclassified section so similar

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to what we saw with the preliminary uap

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report

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but unfortunately there's no specifics

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on what they need to include in that

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which would be nice but again we're

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we're splitting hairs over a huge

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advancement from where we were a few

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years back um

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there is

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an advisory committee

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that is proposed here which is very very

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interesting

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it's the aerial and trans medium

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phenomena advisory committee

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uh

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places like the scu the scientific

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coalition

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um oh i forget the acronym what's what's

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the word

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what the seo yeah yeah yeah the

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oh you're wondering what the u stands

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for yeah yeah i imagine unidentified

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right probably for the study of

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unidentified phenomena yeah yeah they're

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included people from uh galileo project

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galileo are included there's 25 members

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in all and they actually specify in the

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bill

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what um

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would qualify people for membership to

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this committee and when you look through

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it

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chris mallon like luis elizondo

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these people would absolutely be

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qualified to sit on on this advisory

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committee and this advisory committee

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includes like i said some some public

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organizations so what we're actually

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getting is you know there are people

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suggested in here from the national

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academy of medicine uh people from the

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federal aviation administration

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um the from nasa so it's really a kind

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of bringing together of the best of the

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best and the most informed of the

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informed so far to really try and crack

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this there's even two people from the

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optical technology center at montana

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state university specified um and since

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we know that project galileo and the seu

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are looking at this anyway you've got to

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wonder if

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you know the optical technology center

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at montana state university is already

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being utilized to look at you know the

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these things and study them

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like most

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um bills that kind of come through in

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most language

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usually and tom rogan pointed this out

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in an article as well

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usually

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the things we see specified are very

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suggestive of what they know already

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because they don't tend to ask the

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things that they you know don't think

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exist basically

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um towards the end of the language uh

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they actually specify what they mean by

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the term uap which i thought was great

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it has to fit all of these

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all of these uh

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points so it has to be

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an airborne object that's not

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immediately

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it has to be a trans medium object or

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devices

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and it has to be c submerged objects or

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devices that are not immediately

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identifiable and that display behavior

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or performance characteristics

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suggesting that they may be related to

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subjects described

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in subparagraph a but basically that's

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going back towards trans medium so

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there's a lot of really startling

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language here they're clearly not

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talking about drones now you know

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however let me be devil's advocate

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because i have to do it here for sure

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you could still be looking at this and

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i'm sure some of it is as

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pretty advanced russian or chinese

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technology that again that that is that

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unidentifiable that yeah maybe they do

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have stuff that can go under the water

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and the air and as i always say it's

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it's not i see people arguing about this

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drone stuff all the time like is there

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isn't it and i don't think it's as black

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and white as that

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the the weird drone data

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is going to be in the data piles that

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our uap data is in its anomalous

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readings and you know if china are doing

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their job if they're experiencing uap2

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they're going to be copying what they

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look like to present to the u.s as uab

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so they don't think it's china right but

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yeah that wouldn't work unless uap

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existed in the first place to copy

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plus

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the the everything new that those

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guys are putting out all the adversaries

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will show up as an anomaly in the system

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until it's probably properly tagged so

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we need to be going through this data

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whether it's drones or uap you you've

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got a host in the race

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absolutely and then let me just ask you

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as well we've got the two bills already

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going through the senate as you've so

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eloquently put it they are both trains

450
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on two separate tracks but those tracks

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are heading towards the same station and

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at some point they're going to meet and

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at that point they will merge become one

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train slash one bill they're not

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actually trains and the the language

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will be kind of

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ironed out how does this

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amendment affect those

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so

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this amendment will be voted on in the

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in the coming weeks i imagine sooner

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rather than later if it's adopted this

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language replaces the language in the

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ndaa

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um and becomes the language that

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the other so many acronyms the entire

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authorization act is on the other train

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track so it will compete against that

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and when i say compete i mean that

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loosely because this is very clearly a

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bipartisan issue no one's really argued

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about it so far so i i think it's going

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to be fairly smooth and the iaa which

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was kind of the when we had one bill

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going through last year that was this

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um

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those guys were kind of ahead of the

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pack anyway so i think maybe they were

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kind of being a little bit timid in what

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they were asking for and when those true

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trains come to me they're going to be

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amazed at the other train and go cool

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your train's better let's go with this

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one gentleman who has been in the

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headlines recently with his press

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conference was robert salas and he

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wasn't happy with the language than was

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he that was used within the bill

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no he wasn't um mostly because when you

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read through what he's written um

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he argues it's not specific enough to

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hold people to account for what's gone

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on over the last you know

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60 70 years while what him and his uh

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service or him and his colleagues and

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service the other service members went

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through uh when they reported these

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happenings um so i can understand that

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he wants a bit more recompense there um

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his main worry seems to be about no

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hearings being included but it was

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pointed out that though here those

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hearings can still be requested even

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though they're not specified in the

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language so i don't think we should be

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worried about that

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they can still come

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dan for you and we might have touched on

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us in the past but what exactly do

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hearings accomplish here like for what

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we all want ultimately we want to know

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what's happening what's going on where

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these things might be from why they're

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here you know how as a civilization we

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could learn from them move on all those

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kind of incredible amazing questions

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what do hearings accomplish at this

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stage with so many people clambering for

519
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them is it a little bit of looking for

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their pound of flesh along with

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everything else that could come

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yeah i think so um hearings of

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at least in my experience they seem to

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be suggested as a way of

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sifting through the historical baggage

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of this subject

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i you know i we we might see clearing uh

528
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sorry hearings off the back of

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the ig investigation the inspector

530
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general investigating the dod's handling

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of the uap issue

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but what

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robert salas is speaking about is

534
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definitely this historic kind of

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cover-up

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and what they put the you know service

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members through you know making them

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leave early making them look crazy their

539
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lives were turned upside down

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you know this is all real and the air

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force sure are very very quiet on it

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that that's something that was specified

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in this bill actually they

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talk about

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holding departments that are

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stonewalling

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researched and to get to that data that

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they need um

549
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holding those departments accountable so

550
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organizations like the air force will

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absolutely be accountable and their

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silence so far

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you know it's a deafening silence

554
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everybody's noticed it um something else

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mentioned was coordination with allies

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which excites me you know as a uk

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dweller boris johnson's been asleep at

558
00:19:55,110 --> 00:19:53,120
the wheel here he might not be the guy i

559
00:19:57,270 --> 00:19:55,120
imagine you know there's a baroness

560
00:19:59,190 --> 00:19:57,280
goldie um and other people that kind of

561
00:20:00,630 --> 00:19:59,200
look after these areas in the uk it's a

562
00:20:01,669 --> 00:20:00,640
little different to how it works in

563
00:20:02,470 --> 00:20:01,679
america

564
00:20:04,870 --> 00:20:02,480
um

565
00:20:06,470 --> 00:20:04,880
but i'm i'm hoping

566
00:20:08,230 --> 00:20:06,480
because that's in there this

567
00:20:11,190 --> 00:20:08,240
coordination is actually going on behind

568
00:20:12,470 --> 00:20:11,200
the scenes between certain people um and

569
00:20:15,190 --> 00:20:12,480
hopefully in the next few months we'll

570
00:20:17,430 --> 00:20:15,200
we'll see that conversation open up

571
00:20:19,190 --> 00:20:17,440
i still think that conversation and this

572
00:20:21,830 --> 00:20:19,200
isn't from a place of knowledge just

573
00:20:24,789 --> 00:20:21,840
opinion from a uk point of view when it

574
00:20:26,950 --> 00:20:24,799
happens as the uk just assuming this is

575
00:20:28,630 --> 00:20:26,960
just us russia china

576
00:20:30,310 --> 00:20:28,640
playing their games with each other

577
00:20:32,230 --> 00:20:30,320
trying out secret technologies and we

578
00:20:33,669 --> 00:20:32,240
have no interest in it whatsoever i

579
00:20:35,990 --> 00:20:33,679
still don't think the uk wants to

580
00:20:37,909 --> 00:20:36,000
entertain at the right level because i'm

581
00:20:39,990 --> 00:20:37,919
sure that his interests entertain the

582
00:20:41,909 --> 00:20:40,000
conversation around ufos

583
00:20:43,110 --> 00:20:41,919
i mean it's quite possible but uh

584
00:20:44,789 --> 00:20:43,120
something i learned the other day that i

585
00:20:46,870 --> 00:20:44,799
didn't know is that the us pretty much

586
00:20:50,230 --> 00:20:46,880
learned this spycraft from us

587
00:20:52,230 --> 00:20:50,240
so you know thinking back historically

588
00:20:54,630 --> 00:20:52,240
on this issue

589
00:20:56,710 --> 00:20:54,640
before kind of computers came about the

590
00:20:58,549 --> 00:20:56,720
uk would have been incredible at keeping

591
00:20:59,909 --> 00:20:58,559
this secret and i can't imagine that

592
00:21:02,230 --> 00:20:59,919
they're spread over the globe at one

593
00:21:05,430 --> 00:21:02,240
point uh it didn't didn't make them

594
00:21:06,310 --> 00:21:05,440
privy to a few experiences or stories or

595
00:21:08,549 --> 00:21:06,320
you know

596
00:21:09,750 --> 00:21:08,559
data that that suggests these things are

597
00:21:12,230 --> 00:21:09,760
real

598
00:21:14,070 --> 00:21:12,240
absolutely uh dan just before we move on

599
00:21:15,270 --> 00:21:14,080
to the eternals uh talk where we're

600
00:21:16,870 --> 00:21:15,280
gonna have a little look at some of the

601
00:21:18,070 --> 00:21:16,880
themes that are very interesting

602
00:21:20,549 --> 00:21:18,080
especially if you've got an interest in

603
00:21:22,310 --> 00:21:20,559
this subject um this week coming up

604
00:21:25,590 --> 00:21:22,320
we've got listener colin part one and

605
00:21:29,590 --> 00:21:25,600
two that'll be out and we will also have

606
00:21:31,430 --> 00:21:29,600
a show uh next week on kg r a k g r a

607
00:21:32,870 --> 00:21:31,440
digital digital broadcasting which comes

608
00:21:34,789 --> 00:21:32,880
out a few weeks later on the main

609
00:21:36,549 --> 00:21:34,799
platform as well and we're going to be

610
00:21:38,789 --> 00:21:36,559
talking through some of your suggestions

611
00:21:40,310 --> 00:21:38,799
from the reddit post i made but also

612
00:21:42,549 --> 00:21:40,320
some of you've got in touch on twitter

613
00:21:45,110 --> 00:21:42,559
with it as well and it's your opinion on

614
00:21:46,549 --> 00:21:45,120
some of the lesser understood aspects of

615
00:21:48,870 --> 00:21:46,559
this phenomenon with some really good

616
00:21:51,190 --> 00:21:48,880
posts on there so look forward to to

617
00:21:53,110 --> 00:21:51,200
those and just one more request from

618
00:21:55,110 --> 00:21:53,120
myself and this is obviously from dan as

619
00:21:57,270 --> 00:21:55,120
well firstly thank you to everyone who

620
00:21:59,029 --> 00:21:57,280
has gone on and left the review because

621
00:22:01,110 --> 00:21:59,039
we got a whole raft of them through on

622
00:22:02,789 --> 00:22:01,120
apple and some really nice comments as

623
00:22:04,710 --> 00:22:02,799
well so thank you very much for that the

624
00:22:06,710 --> 00:22:04,720
comments are always appreciated but if

625
00:22:08,149 --> 00:22:06,720
you're listening to this and you're you

626
00:22:10,230 --> 00:22:08,159
want to support the show because you

627
00:22:11,750 --> 00:22:10,240
like what we do then go on and just

628
00:22:13,669 --> 00:22:11,760
leave us a 5 star review because it

629
00:22:16,149 --> 00:22:13,679
makes a big difference on any platform

630
00:22:18,149 --> 00:22:16,159
you're on for visibility for credibility

631
00:22:19,510 --> 00:22:18,159
for getting the word out there on apple

632
00:22:20,870 --> 00:22:19,520
it makes a big difference to the charts

633
00:22:23,110 --> 00:22:20,880
and everything as well and make sure if

634
00:22:24,950 --> 00:22:23,120
you're on something like spotify which

635
00:22:26,470 --> 00:22:24,960
spotify has just overtaken apple as the

636
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world's biggest

637
00:22:29,270 --> 00:22:27,360
platform

638
00:22:30,390 --> 00:22:29,280
is listening as well

639
00:22:33,110 --> 00:22:30,400
i mean it's

640
00:22:35,190 --> 00:22:33,120
kind of more with spotify right i think

641
00:22:36,549 --> 00:22:35,200
i might be wrong there but yeah what

642
00:22:39,430 --> 00:22:36,559
podcasting

643
00:22:40,950 --> 00:22:39,440
uh i'm i'm talking out my bum

644
00:22:42,870 --> 00:22:40,960
yeah you are because you have podcasts

645
00:22:44,870 --> 00:22:42,880
for an apple thing weren't they yeah but

646
00:22:46,630 --> 00:22:44,880
yeah but spotify have managed to take

647
00:22:48,230 --> 00:22:46,640
over but again if you're on spotify you

648
00:22:49,669 --> 00:22:48,240
can't leave a review but make sure you

649
00:22:51,430 --> 00:22:49,679
do follow and you've got the auto

650
00:22:53,029 --> 00:22:51,440
download stuff hit so you're you've got

651
00:22:55,029 --> 00:22:53,039
the stuff straight in your your folder

652
00:22:56,630 --> 00:22:55,039
to listen to as it's released as well

653
00:22:58,549 --> 00:22:56,640
but yeah any of those reviews are

654
00:22:59,830 --> 00:22:58,559
greatly greatly appreciated thank you

655
00:23:00,630 --> 00:22:59,840
very much

656
00:23:01,430 --> 00:23:00,640
dan

657
00:23:03,590 --> 00:23:01,440
so

658
00:23:05,669 --> 00:23:03,600
i know you went to see the eternals uh

659
00:23:10,070 --> 00:23:05,679
you tweeted the picture to me or tweeted

660
00:23:13,190 --> 00:23:11,510
you sent me the picture to show me you

661
00:23:15,750 --> 00:23:13,200
were in the theater to watch it and i

662
00:23:17,510 --> 00:23:15,760
was like i'm gonna go see it soon so i i

663
00:23:19,270 --> 00:23:17,520
took my little boy charlie yesterday he

664
00:23:21,029 --> 00:23:19,280
was a massive fan of the marvel movies a

665
00:23:23,590 --> 00:23:21,039
huge spider-man fan

666
00:23:25,750 --> 00:23:23,600
and um i imagine

667
00:23:27,909 --> 00:23:25,760
i'm sitting still

668
00:23:29,669 --> 00:23:27,919
he sat through this whole thing like

669
00:23:31,830 --> 00:23:29,679
really impressive yeah really

670
00:23:33,029 --> 00:23:31,840
impressively he said he really enjoyed

671
00:23:34,149 --> 00:23:33,039
it now

672
00:23:35,990 --> 00:23:34,159
let me just

673
00:23:37,510 --> 00:23:36,000
very quickly i think people want a

674
00:23:38,950 --> 00:23:37,520
problem some people want to hear us talk

675
00:23:40,630 --> 00:23:38,960
about the movie a little bit as a movie

676
00:23:42,390 --> 00:23:40,640
which we don't normally do but we're

677
00:23:43,590 --> 00:23:42,400
movie fans both of us

678
00:23:45,350 --> 00:23:43,600
and then we'll talk about some of the

679
00:23:46,950 --> 00:23:45,360
themes within it which i think might

680
00:23:49,190 --> 00:23:46,960
have more interest to those who are

681
00:23:51,590 --> 00:23:49,200
purely here for the ufo and uap chat

682
00:23:54,310 --> 00:23:51,600
because of some very interesting ideas

683
00:23:56,310 --> 00:23:54,320
dan and to any listeners who asked me i

684
00:23:58,549 --> 00:23:56,320
don't think it's a bad movie

685
00:24:00,870 --> 00:23:58,559
i think it's the poorest or worst of the

686
00:24:03,510 --> 00:24:00,880
marvel movies if you don't count the

687
00:24:05,590 --> 00:24:03,520
first hulk movie which doesn't count and

688
00:24:09,110 --> 00:24:05,600
shouldn't count that was made before

689
00:24:10,310 --> 00:24:09,120
iron man um it reminds me of

690
00:24:13,510 --> 00:24:10,320
do you know what i think it's worse than

691
00:24:15,669 --> 00:24:13,520
the sony attempts at marvel movies um i

692
00:24:16,830 --> 00:24:15,679
think it's style over substance it looks

693
00:24:20,070 --> 00:24:16,840
really nice

694
00:24:22,549 --> 00:24:20,080
but oh it's a little bit like jeremy

695
00:24:25,029 --> 00:24:22,559
corbell made a marvel movie in the sense

696
00:24:25,909 --> 00:24:25,039
there's a lot of exposition shots

697
00:24:28,470 --> 00:24:25,919
and

698
00:24:30,630 --> 00:24:28,480
there is a lot of sprawling shots of the

699
00:24:32,549 --> 00:24:30,640
desert or backgrounds or landscapes that

700
00:24:34,710 --> 00:24:32,559
look really pretty but that's not what

701
00:24:36,789 --> 00:24:34,720
you're there to watch in a marvel film

702
00:24:39,190 --> 00:24:36,799
um so i think it was a swing and a miss

703
00:24:41,990 --> 00:24:39,200
as hiring directors go

704
00:24:44,310 --> 00:24:42,000
i think the casting was pretty mixed

705
00:24:45,669 --> 00:24:44,320
angelina jolie wasn't great she could

706
00:24:47,510 --> 00:24:45,679
have been taken out of that and they

707
00:24:49,669 --> 00:24:47,520
could have gave that to an unknown

708
00:24:52,149 --> 00:24:49,679
i thought the girl who played cersei's

709
00:24:54,870 --> 00:24:52,159
uh cersei's is that right yeah

710
00:24:56,470 --> 00:24:54,880
uh cersei yeah seriously the confusion

711
00:24:58,310 --> 00:24:56,480
of many people to watch game of thrones

712
00:24:59,590 --> 00:24:58,320
because yes that's why i was thinking

713
00:25:02,710 --> 00:24:59,600
that doesn't sound right i thought

714
00:25:04,630 --> 00:25:02,720
cersei was excellent i liked her um

715
00:25:06,230 --> 00:25:04,640
i'm going to be really um hypocritical

716
00:25:08,070 --> 00:25:06,240
here and say listening to the scottish

717
00:25:09,510 --> 00:25:08,080
guy takes me right out of a movie

718
00:25:12,470 --> 00:25:09,520
especially when he's surrounded by

719
00:25:15,269 --> 00:25:12,480
americans in a film um that accent just

720
00:25:17,269 --> 00:25:15,279
took me right out of it and

721
00:25:19,190 --> 00:25:17,279
uh i thought a kingo was really well

722
00:25:21,110 --> 00:25:19,200
cast good character i just thought there

723
00:25:22,549 --> 00:25:21,120
was far too much going on it was a

724
00:25:24,950 --> 00:25:22,559
little bit like they wanted to make an

725
00:25:27,990 --> 00:25:24,960
avengers movie before they had done any

726
00:25:30,070 --> 00:25:28,000
of the groundwork beforehand and yeah

727
00:25:32,149 --> 00:25:30,080
because the director really struggled

728
00:25:34,549 --> 00:25:32,159
more so than the first justice league

729
00:25:36,470 --> 00:25:34,559
movie which crammed a lot in

730
00:25:37,990 --> 00:25:36,480
yeah i mean

731
00:25:40,070 --> 00:25:38,000
i don't disagree with that i just don't

732
00:25:42,230 --> 00:25:40,080
think it's as damning as

733
00:25:43,990 --> 00:25:42,240
you think um i know you'd be more

734
00:25:46,230 --> 00:25:44,000
positive i know you'd be positive about

735
00:25:48,070 --> 00:25:46,240
that it was very jumbled it was very

736
00:25:51,190 --> 00:25:48,080
wordy you know it was long there was a

737
00:25:53,350 --> 00:25:51,200
lot of stuff that i loved in it um

738
00:25:55,269 --> 00:25:53,360
it felt like the start of a new chapter

739
00:25:58,390 --> 00:25:55,279
to me in the marvel universe it felt

740
00:26:00,070 --> 00:25:58,400
like okay this is kind of a new story it

741
00:26:02,070 --> 00:26:00,080
felt familiar in some ways but like you

742
00:26:03,430 --> 00:26:02,080
say there was kind of some different

743
00:26:05,350 --> 00:26:03,440
things going on that you don't really

744
00:26:07,830 --> 00:26:05,360
expect when you go to see a marvel movie

745
00:26:09,909 --> 00:26:07,840
you know um yeah i don't want to spoil

746
00:26:11,750 --> 00:26:09,919
it yeah this is non-spoiler for people

747
00:26:14,630 --> 00:26:11,760
as well we'll make that no we won't

748
00:26:16,470 --> 00:26:14,640
spoil stuff oh yeah for sure um but but

749
00:26:18,870 --> 00:26:16,480
for me i i thoroughly enjoyed it you

750
00:26:20,070 --> 00:26:18,880
know uh going forward i'm excited to see

751
00:26:22,070 --> 00:26:20,080
what they do

752
00:26:24,230 --> 00:26:22,080
i have my fan theories uh i know you

753
00:26:26,230 --> 00:26:24,240
haven't seen shanxi yet but you know

754
00:26:27,590 --> 00:26:26,240
there might be something there i went to

755
00:26:28,950 --> 00:26:27,600
i went to the cinema i went to the

756
00:26:31,350 --> 00:26:28,960
cinema to see it and my little boy was

757
00:26:32,710 --> 00:26:31,360
obsessed with it so he kept asking me to

758
00:26:34,470 --> 00:26:32,720
yeah you know the thing why you've

759
00:26:36,950 --> 00:26:34,480
mentioned that and we won't mention on

760
00:26:38,470 --> 00:26:36,960
here is because i've asked you to get a

761
00:26:41,110 --> 00:26:38,480
copy of it for me

762
00:26:42,870 --> 00:26:41,120
cough cough and uh because my little boy

763
00:26:43,909 --> 00:26:42,880
wants to see that so

764
00:26:45,669 --> 00:26:43,919
um

765
00:26:46,950 --> 00:26:45,679
yeah

766
00:27:17,909 --> 00:26:46,960
i

767
00:27:20,149 --> 00:27:17,919
how about

768
00:27:23,190 --> 00:27:20,159
oh one more thing on the film itself of

769
00:27:25,269 --> 00:27:23,200
those two end credit scenes then

770
00:27:27,750 --> 00:27:25,279
devastated with the casting of the

771
00:27:29,510 --> 00:27:27,760
person who appears uh in the first end

772
00:27:30,789 --> 00:27:29,520
credit scene

773
00:27:33,350 --> 00:27:30,799
oh okay

774
00:27:36,310 --> 00:27:33,360
awful awful awful choice to include that

775
00:27:38,389 --> 00:27:36,320
person and i mean any type of movie

776
00:27:42,149 --> 00:27:38,399
i get what you mean with the person but

777
00:27:43,510 --> 00:27:42,159
he fixed that character perfectly

778
00:27:45,510 --> 00:27:43,520
for a very particular reason but i'll

779
00:27:47,750 --> 00:27:45,520
have to tell you off the podcast

780
00:27:49,269 --> 00:27:47,760
otherwise it'll spill i'm not happy with

781
00:27:51,110 --> 00:27:49,279
the one direction they've chosen to go

782
00:27:53,190 --> 00:27:51,120
in with that one so

783
00:27:55,110 --> 00:27:53,200
um but yeah listen on some of the themes

784
00:27:57,110 --> 00:27:55,120
that were discussed uh we're here to

785
00:27:58,789 --> 00:27:57,120
discuss as part of it

786
00:28:00,149 --> 00:27:58,799
it was really interesting because

787
00:28:02,230 --> 00:28:00,159
there's so much that we have talked

788
00:28:04,149 --> 00:28:02,240
about not just in over the decades in

789
00:28:06,310 --> 00:28:04,159
ufology or when it comes to ufos or

790
00:28:09,029 --> 00:28:06,320
aliens but just in the last couple of

791
00:28:11,110 --> 00:28:09,039
weeks and months um the themes running

792
00:28:13,110 --> 00:28:11,120
throughout it you know there are

793
00:28:15,110 --> 00:28:13,120
different forces you've got celestial

794
00:28:17,510 --> 00:28:15,120
beings bringing light and balance to

795
00:28:19,669 --> 00:28:17,520
like a universe there are darker forces

796
00:28:21,350 --> 00:28:19,679
that play as well uh known as deviants

797
00:28:22,630 --> 00:28:21,360
within the film who are kinda like the

798
00:28:25,430 --> 00:28:22,640
bad guys

799
00:28:26,870 --> 00:28:25,440
and then there are another group who

800
00:28:28,389 --> 00:28:26,880
seem to be somewhat in the middle who

801
00:28:30,789 --> 00:28:28,399
are there to fight them

802
00:28:32,710 --> 00:28:30,799
and do someone else's bidding and that's

803
00:28:35,029 --> 00:28:32,720
something we've heard talked about

804
00:28:37,510 --> 00:28:35,039
by by many people and it's it's not a

805
00:28:40,149 --> 00:28:37,520
new idea by any means but the idea that

806
00:28:42,389 --> 00:28:40,159
the universe has has been created and

807
00:28:44,470 --> 00:28:42,399
there are people or beings or entities

808
00:28:45,830 --> 00:28:44,480
who are in charge of the universe in

809
00:28:47,430 --> 00:28:45,840
various ways

810
00:28:49,110 --> 00:28:47,440
some of them good some of them not so

811
00:28:50,950 --> 00:28:49,120
good some of them

812
00:28:52,470 --> 00:28:50,960
look out for us and some of them don't

813
00:28:54,230 --> 00:28:52,480
and that's that's quite a recent theme

814
00:28:55,350 --> 00:28:54,240
that's been brought up in ufology isn't

815
00:28:58,549 --> 00:28:55,360
it

816
00:29:00,710 --> 00:28:58,559
yeah i mean we say recent the the work

817
00:29:02,470 --> 00:29:00,720
of jack kobe the guy who made these

818
00:29:06,549 --> 00:29:02,480
comics and they were very much made in

819
00:29:08,310 --> 00:29:06,559
response to the justice league um

820
00:29:10,389 --> 00:29:08,320
he based his work on the work of eric

821
00:29:12,230 --> 00:29:10,399
von daniken who if you look into him

822
00:29:14,549 --> 00:29:12,240
he's all ancient aliens and you know our

823
00:29:17,430 --> 00:29:14,559
dna was temp tampered with kind of

824
00:29:18,950 --> 00:29:17,440
similar to zechariah sitchin stuff um

825
00:29:20,789 --> 00:29:18,960
i think that's right he did the knife

826
00:29:22,789 --> 00:29:20,799
planet stuff um

827
00:29:25,350 --> 00:29:22,799
where the idea was that a race called

828
00:29:27,750 --> 00:29:25,360
the anunnaki came to earth uses slaves

829
00:29:29,269 --> 00:29:27,760
to kind of mine uh minerals out of the

830
00:29:30,950 --> 00:29:29,279
planet i think it was monatomic gold

831
00:29:34,389 --> 00:29:30,960
it's been a while since i read that one

832
00:29:36,789 --> 00:29:34,399
um but supposedly some of the annunaki

833
00:29:38,470 --> 00:29:36,799
decided that they didn't want

834
00:29:40,310 --> 00:29:38,480
to subjugate us anymore and thought we

835
00:29:42,310 --> 00:29:40,320
could be more and so stepped in between

836
00:29:44,310 --> 00:29:42,320
and caused this big war and the planet

837
00:29:47,110 --> 00:29:44,320
was reset and then we kind of developed

838
00:29:48,310 --> 00:29:47,120
from almost what was left over

839
00:29:50,310 --> 00:29:48,320
so that's what i was going to ask you

840
00:29:52,549 --> 00:29:50,320
next is again you know the you're a

841
00:29:54,389 --> 00:29:52,559
comic geek you have to listen to your

842
00:29:57,430 --> 00:29:54,399
your parents podcast that you had with

843
00:29:58,710 --> 00:29:57,440
mike or have with mike um and i i like

844
00:30:01,669 --> 00:29:58,720
some of the background and that sort of

845
00:30:03,190 --> 00:30:01,679
stuff and that's interesting to know um

846
00:30:04,710 --> 00:30:03,200
there are a few other things for me that

847
00:30:07,190 --> 00:30:04,720
stood out now you see at one point

848
00:30:08,230 --> 00:30:07,200
there's a craft which is buried in iraq

849
00:30:10,310 --> 00:30:08,240
and you know we hear about

850
00:30:12,710 --> 00:30:10,320
archaeological finds and what may or may

851
00:30:14,230 --> 00:30:12,720
not be hiding under under the ice under

852
00:30:15,350 --> 00:30:14,240
the deserts under the ground and

853
00:30:18,310 --> 00:30:15,360
mountains so that was a really

854
00:30:19,830 --> 00:30:18,320
interesting idea um the big triangle

855
00:30:21,590 --> 00:30:19,840
then

856
00:30:24,789 --> 00:30:21,600
it had windows

857
00:30:26,630 --> 00:30:24,799
it did but only from inside right

858
00:30:28,470 --> 00:30:26,640
yes no i was going to make that that's

859
00:30:30,950 --> 00:30:28,480
what i was going to say is from the

860
00:30:32,870 --> 00:30:30,960
outside i couldn't immediately see

861
00:30:34,630 --> 00:30:32,880
any windows there's lots of inscription

862
00:30:36,870 --> 00:30:34,640
and writing but

863
00:30:38,549 --> 00:30:36,880
they were they were inside looking out

864
00:30:39,990 --> 00:30:38,559
and it very much seemed to be like for

865
00:30:41,350 --> 00:30:40,000
an aesthetic thing for them that they

866
00:30:43,669 --> 00:30:41,360
just wanted to have a little look at the

867
00:30:45,110 --> 00:30:43,679
universe as they as they flew along and

868
00:30:46,710 --> 00:30:45,120
yeah do you think that's a fair point

869
00:30:48,549 --> 00:30:46,720
because we we had a few people come back

870
00:30:51,110 --> 00:30:48,559
at us on this on youtube in a very

871
00:30:52,710 --> 00:30:51,120
healthy debatable way who

872
00:30:54,470 --> 00:30:52,720
were questioning well why would they

873
00:30:57,029 --> 00:30:54,480
need windows of course it's ridiculous

874
00:30:58,870 --> 00:30:57,039
any interstellar craft or alien craft

875
00:31:01,110 --> 00:30:58,880
would have a need for windows but then

876
00:31:03,430 --> 00:31:01,120
why not mac os users right

877
00:31:06,070 --> 00:31:03,440
yeah okay

878
00:31:08,710 --> 00:31:06,080
um but yeah why wouldn't another species

879
00:31:10,470 --> 00:31:08,720
or beings or entities who who can travel

880
00:31:12,630 --> 00:31:10,480
in the vastness of space

881
00:31:14,950 --> 00:31:12,640
not want to kind of look about what's

882
00:31:15,669 --> 00:31:14,960
around would that not interest them or

883
00:31:17,590 --> 00:31:15,679
yeah

884
00:31:18,950 --> 00:31:17,600
and i don't see why not

885
00:31:20,710 --> 00:31:18,960
the windows

886
00:31:22,630 --> 00:31:20,720
the way we think of windows is just kind

887
00:31:24,630 --> 00:31:22,640
of a weak point in a structure with

888
00:31:26,070 --> 00:31:24,640
glass right you know if a house is hit

889
00:31:27,669 --> 00:31:26,080
by a tornado the windows are going to

890
00:31:30,310 --> 00:31:27,679
blow out first and then the bricks go

891
00:31:32,230 --> 00:31:30,320
afterwards right but if we had

892
00:31:34,310 --> 00:31:32,240
sufficiently advanced technology to just

893
00:31:35,430 --> 00:31:34,320
make you know if we could what's a good

894
00:31:39,509 --> 00:31:35,440
example

895
00:31:41,750 --> 00:31:39,519
when i when i visited amsterdam there

896
00:31:43,990 --> 00:31:41,760
was a toilet outside a museum that was

897
00:31:45,430 --> 00:31:44,000
completely clear you could see straight

898
00:31:47,269 --> 00:31:45,440
through it but when people went in and

899
00:31:49,190 --> 00:31:47,279
they locked the door

900
00:31:50,950 --> 00:31:49,200
as soon as current run through the glass

901
00:31:53,590 --> 00:31:50,960
it changed to like a frosty white and

902
00:31:55,269 --> 00:31:53,600
you couldn't see through it anymore um

903
00:31:59,350 --> 00:31:55,279
and

904
00:32:03,669 --> 00:32:01,509
yeah that's a kind of that's a certain

905
00:32:04,470 --> 00:32:03,679
kind of person that still chances that

906
00:32:06,070 --> 00:32:04,480
yeah

907
00:32:08,230 --> 00:32:06,080
um

908
00:32:09,990 --> 00:32:08,240
and it could just be something like that

909
00:32:11,830 --> 00:32:10,000
you know the very structure of the craft

910
00:32:14,710 --> 00:32:11,840
you apply a current to it and voila you

911
00:32:17,470 --> 00:32:14,720
can see out um we we don't need to think

912
00:32:20,230 --> 00:32:17,480
of them as windows in our kind of

913
00:32:22,230 --> 00:32:20,240
anthropomorphic way um

914
00:32:24,789 --> 00:32:22,240
you know an octopus probably thinks of

915
00:32:27,909 --> 00:32:24,799
its kind of hole in its burrow as a

916
00:32:29,430 --> 00:32:27,919
as a as a window but it's a whole to us

917
00:32:30,710 --> 00:32:29,440
you know it's a tricky thing with

918
00:32:32,789 --> 00:32:30,720
language

919
00:32:34,950 --> 00:32:32,799
now there was a story that ran through

920
00:32:36,710 --> 00:32:34,960
and i suppose it was for a marvel fan

921
00:32:38,070 --> 00:32:36,720
people wanted to know well these all

922
00:32:40,310 --> 00:32:38,080
powerful beings why didn't they

923
00:32:42,549 --> 00:32:40,320
interfere during the snap

924
00:32:43,750 --> 00:32:42,559
and that's explained quite quite quickly

925
00:32:45,590 --> 00:32:43,760
and i think it's explained within the

926
00:32:47,990 --> 00:32:45,600
trailer as well so it's not a spoiler

927
00:32:50,470 --> 00:32:48,000
yeah they were told and instructed to

928
00:32:52,149 --> 00:32:50,480
not interfere with anything uh to do

929
00:32:53,750 --> 00:32:52,159
with human history and

930
00:32:56,230 --> 00:32:53,760
throughout the film you see various

931
00:32:59,269 --> 00:32:56,240
times in our human history where there

932
00:33:02,310 --> 00:32:59,279
have been wars or technological advances

933
00:33:04,389 --> 00:33:02,320
made and the eternals the group are

934
00:33:06,070 --> 00:33:04,399
there for those and you kind of hear in

935
00:33:09,269 --> 00:33:06,080
the background that there's one of them

936
00:33:10,470 --> 00:33:09,279
is that fastest who has the idea to give

937
00:33:12,710 --> 00:33:10,480
us steam

938
00:33:14,549 --> 00:33:12,720
long before yeah yeah

939
00:33:15,990 --> 00:33:14,559
long before we're ready for it and they

940
00:33:17,909 --> 00:33:16,000
make the argument and i thought that was

941
00:33:19,590 --> 00:33:17,919
really fascinating given what we talked

942
00:33:20,870 --> 00:33:19,600
about that yeah let's give them this

943
00:33:23,190 --> 00:33:20,880
it's really going to help them and it's

944
00:33:24,470 --> 00:33:23,200
they all say no it's too early yeah but

945
00:33:25,750 --> 00:33:24,480
it's going to let them do this this and

946
00:33:27,669 --> 00:33:25,760
this and it's well they've only had the

947
00:33:29,669 --> 00:33:27,679
wheel a couple of hundred years

948
00:33:32,230 --> 00:33:29,679
and it's like again

949
00:33:34,470 --> 00:33:32,240
at what point is a civilization ready to

950
00:33:36,149 --> 00:33:34,480
move on technologically and it's those

951
00:33:39,029 --> 00:33:36,159
breaking points of as at the end of a

952
00:33:41,110 --> 00:33:39,039
civilization or do they kick on from

953
00:33:43,430 --> 00:33:41,120
that point the last big one we've had

954
00:33:46,230 --> 00:33:43,440
was probably that atomic nuclear energy

955
00:33:48,070 --> 00:33:46,240
age that i suppose you could argue have

956
00:33:49,350 --> 00:33:48,080
we moved on fully from it or are we

957
00:33:51,509 --> 00:33:49,360
still at that breaking point that it

958
00:33:53,830 --> 00:33:51,519
could go either way and i thought that

959
00:33:56,230 --> 00:33:53,840
was a really interesting aspect to it

960
00:33:58,630 --> 00:33:56,240
that there are entities who who want to

961
00:34:00,549 --> 00:33:58,640
help and assist humanity

962
00:34:02,950 --> 00:34:00,559
but for whatever reason

963
00:34:04,630 --> 00:34:02,960
sometimes they can sometimes they can't

964
00:34:06,789 --> 00:34:04,640
and that's something that you hear about

965
00:34:09,909 --> 00:34:06,799
as well throughout the the decades in

966
00:34:11,750 --> 00:34:09,919
ufology and research and stories as well

967
00:34:13,109 --> 00:34:11,760
yeah a friend of mine when i got out he

968
00:34:14,950 --> 00:34:13,119
he said don't tell me anything about it

969
00:34:17,270 --> 00:34:14,960
the one thing i want to know is do they

970
00:34:18,629 --> 00:34:17,280
mention why they didn't interfere and it

971
00:34:20,550 --> 00:34:18,639
was nice to be able to say to him it's

972
00:34:21,589 --> 00:34:20,560
kind of the whole point of the film

973
00:34:23,430 --> 00:34:21,599
actually

974
00:34:24,710 --> 00:34:23,440
um you know that they argue over whether

975
00:34:26,629 --> 00:34:24,720
they should or shouldn't and certain

976
00:34:28,629 --> 00:34:26,639
characters are a bit more willing to

977
00:34:30,550 --> 00:34:28,639
because they can see where they can help

978
00:34:33,430 --> 00:34:30,560
perhaps with the other ones couldn't but

979
00:34:35,589 --> 00:34:33,440
that that steam engine uh bit was great

980
00:34:36,869 --> 00:34:35,599
and it does later extend in the film to

981
00:34:38,310 --> 00:34:36,879
something that you just mentioned and i

982
00:34:40,230 --> 00:34:38,320
won't spoil the scene because it was one

983
00:34:41,430 --> 00:34:40,240
of my favorite scenes in the whole film

984
00:34:43,349 --> 00:34:41,440
um

985
00:34:44,790 --> 00:34:43,359
and there's a lot of people in our

986
00:34:49,270 --> 00:34:44,800
community who will see that and kind of

987
00:34:51,349 --> 00:34:49,280
go ah yeah okay i i i get it

988
00:34:52,950 --> 00:34:51,359
i thought that was a nice nod as well to

989
00:34:55,510 --> 00:34:52,960
and i might just be reaching here given

990
00:34:57,750 --> 00:34:55,520
the interest i have in in ufos but to

991
00:34:59,829 --> 00:34:57,760
crop circle patterns that when they're

992
00:35:02,870 --> 00:34:59,839
having those transmissions

993
00:35:04,550 --> 00:35:02,880
between the celestials and and them and

994
00:35:06,790 --> 00:35:04,560
their their minds

995
00:35:09,589 --> 00:35:06,800
that as they fade between going from the

996
00:35:11,190 --> 00:35:09,599
earth to space you see like crop circle

997
00:35:13,430 --> 00:35:11,200
patterns appearing and flashing on the

998
00:35:14,790 --> 00:35:13,440
screen as the the space kind of melts

999
00:35:16,550 --> 00:35:14,800
away as well which i thought was a nice

1000
00:35:18,470 --> 00:35:16,560
nod to that sort of stuff that we've

1001
00:35:19,510 --> 00:35:18,480
been talking about recently absolutely

1002
00:35:21,349 --> 00:35:19,520
and

1003
00:35:23,990 --> 00:35:21,359
kind of piggybacking off of that it's

1004
00:35:26,230 --> 00:35:24,000
interesting to think of crop circles as

1005
00:35:28,710 --> 00:35:26,240
marks of a natural process as opposed to

1006
00:35:30,390 --> 00:35:28,720
a picture drone right

1007
00:35:32,470 --> 00:35:30,400
and i i suppose that's something i've

1008
00:35:34,470 --> 00:35:32,480
thought about in the past and you wonder

1009
00:35:36,870 --> 00:35:34,480
why would one of these craft leaving i i

1010
00:35:39,510 --> 00:35:36,880
could get why it would leave a one shape

1011
00:35:41,190 --> 00:35:39,520
of a burn within the ground or a field

1012
00:35:44,230 --> 00:35:41,200
but why one of these big elaborate

1013
00:35:46,150 --> 00:35:44,240
patterns but then why not again it's

1014
00:35:47,589 --> 00:35:46,160
putting that human stamp on things isn't

1015
00:35:49,430 --> 00:35:47,599
it that well it might do this so it

1016
00:35:50,710 --> 00:35:49,440
would leave that pattern well it makes

1017
00:35:54,150 --> 00:35:50,720
it

1018
00:35:56,710 --> 00:35:54,160
cymatics you know where they put the

1019
00:35:57,589 --> 00:35:56,720
starch onto a plastic sheet over a

1020
00:35:59,430 --> 00:35:57,599
speaker and they play different

1021
00:36:01,270 --> 00:35:59,440
frequencies and it makes shapes you can

1022
00:36:02,790 --> 00:36:01,280
do it with sand as well on the speaker

1023
00:36:04,950 --> 00:36:02,800
um and they all make very similar

1024
00:36:06,390 --> 00:36:04,960
patterns to what we see in crop circles

1025
00:36:08,470 --> 00:36:06,400
you know these fractals and patterns of

1026
00:36:10,069 --> 00:36:08,480
here in nature uh we just get to see

1027
00:36:12,950 --> 00:36:10,079
them produced

1028
00:36:15,109 --> 00:36:12,960
at a macro scale

1029
00:36:17,109 --> 00:36:15,119
yes well listen any final thoughts on

1030
00:36:19,510 --> 00:36:17,119
the movie dan uh before we we'll wrap

1031
00:36:21,510 --> 00:36:19,520
this one up um don't listen to andy go

1032
00:36:24,550 --> 00:36:21,520
see it it's great there's a lot in it

1033
00:36:28,790 --> 00:36:24,560
for uh for people in the community and

1034
00:36:31,589 --> 00:36:28,800
especially for us celts i would say

1035
00:36:33,190 --> 00:36:31,599
two hours and 40 minutes if you want to

1036
00:36:34,150 --> 00:36:33,200
stay and watch both end credit scenes as

1037
00:36:36,069 --> 00:36:34,160
well

1038
00:36:38,550 --> 00:36:36,079
it's not as bad as titanic at that sort

1039
00:36:40,630 --> 00:36:38,560
of run time but it's certainly no end

1040
00:36:42,470 --> 00:36:40,640
game i will give you that i was in my

1041
00:36:46,950 --> 00:36:42,480
teenagers when titanic came out and i

1042
00:36:50,950 --> 00:36:48,310
i think i would have rather been on the

1043
00:36:52,550 --> 00:36:50,960
boat itself um so listen folks that's

1044
00:36:54,069 --> 00:36:52,560
all we've got time for for this one we

1045
00:36:55,910 --> 00:36:54,079
are going to carry on with recording our

1046
00:36:58,069 --> 00:36:55,920
listener colin show thank you for

1047
00:37:00,150 --> 00:36:58,079
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1048
00:37:01,990 --> 00:37:00,160
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1049
00:37:03,750 --> 00:37:02,000
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1050
00:37:07,109 --> 00:37:03,760
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1051
00:37:09,990 --> 00:37:07,119
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1052
00:37:12,310 --> 00:37:10,000
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1057
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1060
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1061
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1065
00:37:36,870 --> 00:37:34,560
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1066
00:37:39,270 --> 00:37:36,880
much any mistakes that happen it's dan's

1067
00:37:40,109 --> 00:37:39,280
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1068
00:37:42,230 --> 00:37:40,119
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1069
00:37:43,430 --> 00:37:42,240
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1070
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00:37:46,710 --> 00:37:44,960
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1074
00:37:52,230 --> 00:37:50,320
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1075
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1079
00:38:03,270 --> 00:38:01,680
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1092
00:38:35,520 --> 00:38:32,880
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1093
00:38:55,990 --> 00:38:35,530
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1094
00:38:56,000 --> 00:39:01,870
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1095
00:39:01,880 --> 00:39:11,670
[Music]

1096
00:39:11,680 --> 00:39:18,610
i can't imagine how it could have

1097
00:39:18,620 --> 00:39:32,470
[Music]

1098
00:39:35,430 --> 00:39:33,750
there was something on my head and

1099
00:39:37,349 --> 00:39:35,440
everything was weird and everything was

1100
00:39:46,740 --> 00:39:37,359
red i helped my boys they thought this

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00:39:46,750 --> 00:40:01,030
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1102
00:40:01,040 --> 00:40:06,230
what's that

1103
00:40:43,109 --> 00:40:10,870
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1104
00:40:49,920 --> 00:40:43,119
it wasn't a tic tac and not quite a

1105
00:40:49,930 --> 00:41:03,750
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1106
00:41:14,810 --> 00:41:05,860
it's very different